Excellent article. Many thanks for your vigilance and dedication to the cause of reason and ethical practice. Reply
Great work, Zeno. Trivial point: I think 200C is 10⁻⁴⁰⁰ and 10M is 10⁻³⁰, so actually a reduction in fantasy homeopathic ‘potency’. Reply
Phayes- Not that it matters a jot but I think homeopaths sometimes use C to represent 100 X dilutions and M 1000 X dilutions – making them even more useless (or ‘potent’) in fact I’ve found homeopaths who disagree on what an M is, indicating the deep confusion and mindlessness inherent in the practice. Reply
I see Ainsworths’ attempted defence of point 1 included perfectly clear undisguised anti-vaccine talking points. From the adjudication: “[Ainsworths] advised that conventional vaccination introduced a foreign protein into the body in order to stimulate an antibody response. They believed that while this method had been shown to work in clinical trials, it also negatively impacted on individuals’ overall health because it undermined the immune system’s capacity to respond to epidemic disease. They believed this rendered individuals more susceptible to chronic disease and more serious health problems than they were before receiving the vaccine. They believed practitioners of conventional medicine ignored this fact. …” That a homeopath believes vaccines contaminate our precious bodily fluids and make us more vulnerable by weakening the immune system and that doctors are wilfully blind doesn’t surprise me; it’s a claim I’ve seen many of them make. But that a homeopathic pharmacy was prepared to clearly say this does surprise me. It suggests that direct hostility to modern medicine is firmly entrenched within the culture of homeopathic organisations, not just a belief held by individual homeopaths. Reply
phayes I think I side with Milton on this – I’ve certainly seen some homeopaths referring to M as 1:1000 dilutions, making 10M a 1: 100010 dilution. As he says, it doesn’t really matter, though – it’s impossible for someone outside the cult of homeopathy to fathom its inner workings and inconsistencies. Reply
10M = 10,000C, so a 10^20,000 dilution. I think this is must be why they invented “potentising” machines rather than do it by hand. Source: http://www.hahnemannlabs.com/faq.html#seven “1M, 10M, 50M are marked with the Roman numeral “M,” which stands for 1,000. This “M” is being used as a shorthand for 1000C, not for a dilution ratio of 1:1,000. Therefore, 1M is a 1,000C and means a substance, diluted at the ratio of 1:100, has been taken through the dilution and succussion process one thousand times. 10M is a 10,000C, and a 50M is a 50,000C” At which point I imagine Graham Chapman wandering in dressed as a colonel saying “Stop now, this is getting silly.” Reply
Rob Interesting. This homeopathic ‘pharmacy’, Rite Care, disagrees: Designation Dilution Rate X 1/10 C 1/100 M 1/1000 LM 1/50,000 Who knows! Mind you, this homeopath doesn’t seem to understand C dilutions! Reply
I can’t find it now, but I’ve read an account of a homeopath boasting to have design a potentising machine to his exact hand shaking action. “Sorry darling, I’m staying late to work on the machine’s…er…calibration” The delusion continues with Helios offering potentisation services for any substance: https://www.helios.co.uk/technical.html Which might explain the diet Coke at Vue cinemas. Reply
Actually this is from an email question to Helios: “Thank you for your email. 1M is the abbreviated way we express 1000C, so 10M is 10,000c, CM is 100,000c etc. I hope this answers your question. Regards, Helios (Cathy)” So actually. according to Helios, M is 1000C not X. Powerful. Reply
You must be thinking of “The Pinkus Potentizer“. This uses the Korsakov method of dilution where instead of all that fiddly bit, using a new container at each dilution step, they use the same one and simply pour out the 9%, 99% or 99.9% at each step and top the container up with yet more water. The machine does this and the shaking bit automatically. Of course, there is far more opportunity for contamination from solution from earlier stages being left on the sides of the container, but they don’t worry about that. The usual practice is to dilute using Hahnemann’s method down (up? – I never know which!) to 6C or 12C before reverting to the Korsakov method to make sure there’s nothing in it before they add even more water to the water… Reply
Ah that might be it. Another point: Homeopaths claim (in the evidence check for example) that the memory of water is wiped clean when it is de-ionized- so that it forgets all the poo it’s had in it for example. Do they actually do this? Also, what happens to all the cast-off water following dilutions? Surely they are wasting 90% of any dilutions that don’t make it to the shelves. (I’ve never seen a 4X or a 73C etc.) so is all that waste just being sent into the world? Unless they are ‘de-ionising’ on the way out, wouldn’t this be homeopathic spiking, since – as they argue – it works better than placebo? Curiouser and etc. Reply
Thanks for doing all this hard work Zeno – as someone who is often poorly I’m glad someone is doing it. I think it’s really important that stuff like this is challenged as the ‘free market’ in healthcare opens up. Reply
This ASA judgment is somewhat of a landmark. However, I think there is a little coyness in – “The MHRA stated that homeopathic products must be licensed before they could be advertised, even in leaflets which were available only at the point of sale.” Under the Medicines (Advertising) Regulations 1994, even the promotion of unlicensed medicines is a criminal offence, carrying a maximum tarrif of two years in prison and an unlimited fine. The leaflet is illegal. Reply
@Milton: I’ve read an account of a homeopath boasting to have design a potentising machine to his exact hand shaking action Sounds a bit like the Quinn Potentizer: To this end the engineers who built the equipment actually measured Michael Quinn’s arm from elbow to closed hand in order to build a mechanical arm of the same length. They measured how far up and down he moved the vial while vigorously succussing the vial, and how fast he moved. Reply
Oooh! It’s got actuators and sensors and wires and things! The blank pellets and vials of alcohol needed for the preparation of homeopathic medicines are packaged for use in a room which never has any homeopathic medicines in it in order to prevent even microscopic cross-contamination. You just couldn’t make it up… Reply
warhelmet: do you know why the legal aspect is not taken seriously ? i would think that an official body that discovers a crime is bound to reporting it. Reply
Jon: Historically, homeopathic medicines have been ignored. The regulation is complex and to be honest, it’s only recently that it has become understood by anyone outside of the MHRA. Well, perhaps the homeopathic pharmacies and the homeopathy trade bodies do, but if they do, they largely ignore it, Reply
Have you contacted the General Pharmaceutical Council? They have a complaints procedure at http://www.pharmacyregulation.org/ourpublicfocus/concernsaboutpharmacyprofessionals/index.aspx which would apparently be covered by this. You’d be the best person to do it, though. =) Reply
Adam See the second paragraph under ‘Complaints’ above! I am keeping that for another blog post… 🙂 Reply
Would any like to reply to the interesting question posed here…? http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110928063650AAlVfui&r=w Reply
Homeopathy does work. I have personally used it myself after visiting a homeopath who obviously made the correct choices after asking appropriate questions but due to a complexity of problems it did not work as well as it should have if I had gone some years earlier but anyway sometime later I used those inert substances. as some people call them who do not know,understand,or want to understand in the first place,these substances I used in different potencies,I felt an improvement but being a bit of an experimentalist I decided not to take them at times and just continue with the drug treatment from my medical consultant(Yes!I also have great regard for appropriate medical help-I am not biased and would never want be-cautious but not biased, keeping an open mind.).Well I found that when I stopped the substances my health went down but when I started them over It improved on all levels, mental, emotional and physical but on the other hand when missed my medication my health went down so as I see it in my case anyway, I needed both forms of treatment.But some people would like to deny me and possibly many others in difficulty, the benefits just to satisfy their their own ego,and biased minds.Everyone has their own mind ,their own beliefs, their own choices and desires and their own way of reacting to various things and situations.So please! Let’s not stir, but try to understand ,if we cannot do this, just let it be. Reply
HI, A quick look at your so called complaint shows most paragraphs beginning with “I believe” so it is hardly a justified complaint. I wonder if you have ever actually tried homeopathic treatment? If not, and from the sounds of it I doubt it, I wonder why you feel justified on getting so uptight about it and making such an unjustified noise. I have had to turn to homoeopathy on a number of occasions, because allopathic medicine could not help me. Just recently I had a sinus infection, and I had the choice of antibiotics and the consequent downgrading of my gut environment and immune system, or homeopathic. I chose the latter and felt immediate relief. My current dentist uses homeopathic remedies for any dental surgery and despite my age I heal much more quickly than I did when very young without the homoeopathic. More importantly Homoeopathy saved my beloved pets life when conventional medicine admitted there was nothing it could do for him, and relieved my 2 children on a number of occasions when allopathic medicine failed them. I despair that I share a world with people so blinkered and closed minded that they will only respond to a belief system developed most probably from someone else’s belief system and not even their own, rather than look at the evidence in front of their eyes. You can deny the efficacy of homoeopathic remedies all you want but it does not change the basic truth that find the right remedy and they work. I wonder why anyone would wish another sentient being to suffer because they have a different opinion, for that is all it is, and why, rather than looking for fault, you would look for the truth of the matter. There is a place in healthcare for both allopathic remedies and homeopathic remedies, one does not preclude the other, more importantly every individual should have freedom of choice to do what is right for them and that freedom is increasingly and insidiously being curtailed. If you truly have never even tried homoeopathy with an open mind then do you really feel you are in a position to pass judgement when millions of people all over the world have benefitted from it? Your reply is probably that this is just the placebo effect. If so consider this – You are in pain and discomfort, there is no relief – it is chronic and you are in despair. You take a placebo and suddenly you can begin to live your life again. Which would you choose? and why would you wish to stop someone else choosing the same? Give it a go, if it is truly sugar it won’t do you much harm will it? You might even find it helps. Reply
Amanda said: A quick look at your so called complaint shows most paragraphs beginning with “I believe” so it is hardly a justified complaint. I wonder if you have ever actually tried homeopathic treatment? If not, and from the sounds of it I doubt it, I wonder why you feel justified on getting so uptight about it and making such an unjustified noise. So, why did the ASA rule that Ainsworths’ advertising material was misleading? Ignoring your unverified and unverifiable anecdote… I’m certainly open minded…open minded to good evidence. What would convince you homeopathy has no specific effects over placebo? Reply
Hey, Amanda, I am intrigued by your first sentence. You assert that starting paragraphs with “I believe” render the complaint to be “hardly justified”? Here’s how it works: There is a Code of Advertising Practice which lays down which advertising claims are permissible and which are not. It is the ASA’s job to decide whether particular claims are in breach of the Code, which can be viewed on the ASA website. While it may seem very clear to a complainant that a particular claim is in breach of the Code, the ultimate decision lies with the ASA. That’s why starting sentences with words phrases like, “I believe…”, “I think…”, “It seems to me…” etc would seem to be a more appropriate – not to mention courteous – way of phrasing a complaint than using categorical statements, which is what your objection seems to imply. If you still stand by your contention, would you care to explain your reasoning? By the way, homeopathic “remedies” are not responsible for any of the things you claim for them. They are indeed worthless drops or sugar pills with no active ingredients and a mountain of evidence demonstrates they perform no better than placebo. (And many of us have indeed “given it a go”.) In every instance you describe homeopathy working for you, your children or your pet, there is a more plausible explanation than that the ingestion of an inert product brought about the improvement. As you continue to put faith in homeopathy in spite of the weight of scientific evidence, then I’m afraid it is you who is “blinkered and closed-minded” – not homeopathy critics who have arrived at their position precisely because of its (1) scientific implausibility and (2) the fact that the totality of evidence reveals it to be a crock. Furthermore, the tragic needless deaths caused by faith in homeopathy is one of the reasons we campaign against it. I never cease to be amazed at how homeopathy supporters callously dismiss these tragedies whenever I point to examples. What is your evidence that “millions of people all over the world” have benefitted from homeopathy? That would seem to be an example of an unsupportable statement from you and I’d be interested to know how you justify it? Finally, your question about choosing a placebo, misses the point. None of us would stop anyone from choosing to buy placebos, as long as it is made clear that the product in question is placebo and contains no active ingredients. What we object to is the selling of sugar pills under the claim that they are something more than sugar pills and can actually work better than placebo. That is fraud. Why do you think it is than even homeopathy manufacturers are unable to distinguish between the “remedies” they produce except by the labels they’ve put on them? Reply