Comments on: Curbing the quacks & protecting the public

By: davidp

davidp — Wed, 31 Mar 2010 22:51:09 +0000

The response to Zeno’s and Simon Perry’s complaints has been pathetic. It’s been 9 months and they still haven’t got past the “Investigating Committee has begun its consideration of the complaints we received from several people about more than 600 chiropractors.”

They have not sent out unambiguous advice of the list of considions that the ASA considers not supported by evidence (including colic, asthma), instead sending out the Bronfort report and leaving it to the chiropractors to decide what, if anything, to do.

They did find time to change the complaint rules to change the standard from ‘case to answer’ to ‘reasonable prospect of success’ in the non-public investigating committee state, while making misleading statements about what they were up to.

If they are ‘protecting the public’ why haven’t they unambiguously told people to take down the blatently false claims?

By: the Bruce

the Bruce — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:33:16 +0000

Actually, having read around this issue, it would seem that you have done the ethical chiropractors, I assume there are some otherwise all sceptics would agree with Zeno, a favour. The Brontfort report that you mentioned above seems to have a level of credibilty within the non-Zeno ’sceptic’ community. So rather than weakening their profession, you may have just strengthened them. As I understand it, they seem to be well regulated, the response to the complaints has shown that, well educated ( eduacated to MSc standard in health sciences…so it can’t all be woo), and serving a purpose otherwise they wouldn’t exist. If this us the case, and although my opinion once again may not meet with yiur approval lol, then the osteopaths must be in the same boat. Maybe Zeno is cleverer than I gave him credit for and this was what he was after all along. Maybe his attacks were in fact to bring these guys into the mainstream by highlighting their strengths by hitting on thier weaknesses, if so…..clever stuff indeed.

By: the Bruce

the Bruce — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 06:40:49 +0000

Lol, good old Zeno. Good grief you must be bruised from all this backslapping, and in the eyes if some , you deserve it. My stance however hasn’t changed.

You have a good day now, you hear. Lol

By: artemis

artemis — Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:07:08 +0000

the Bruce will take Andy’s post seriously. Just watch….

By: Zeno

Zeno — Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:53:19 +0000

LOL AndyD!

By: AndyD

AndyD — Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:26:17 +0000

That’s all well and good Zeno but c’mon, you are “bigoted and politically motivated” aren’t you? Really? After all, if you were serious you would have cast a net so wide that it would have been equally ineffective against all quacks instead of actually being effective against some of the more prominent ones.

Oh, and can you release the program that does all that fact-checking stuff for you? Open source? GPL? I might take on all the osteopaths but I don’t want to spend more than an hour or so on it. Okay?

By: the Bruce

the Bruce — Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:17:27 +0000

Yip, don’t feel question has been answered, when are the other groups being targeted , if at all?

By: Zeno

Zeno — Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:06:54 +0000

the Bruce said: “Based on your actions against the chiropractors, why should I not consider your actions to be bigoted and politically motivated.”

You’ve now said this 15 times and it has already been answered in detail. If you don’t remember it, please re-read what has been said to you. If you didn’t understand it, then I can’t help you any further.

By: the Bruce

the Bruce — Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:39:27 +0000

Scepticism or fascism

I have just been removed from your wife’s blog ’skeptikat’ because I suggested that your actions against only the chiropractors rather than all who made the same claims was bigoted and discrimatory with a political agenda rather than a sceptical one.

As this will probably be my last post as I appreciate that you and your wife act as judge, jury and executioner, unless the posts tow the party line, by removing posters ability to post. It would also seem that you, your wife and your innerr circle can be as offensive as you chose but god forbid your actions, or your wife’s choice words be called into question.

I will ask two simple questions.

Based on your actions against the chiropractors, why should I not consider your actions to be bigoted and politically motivated.

When, for the benefit of the public, as your heading jokingly implies, will you be attacking the osteopaths etc with the same fervour, glee and criticism who are making the same claims as the other group.

With regards your accusations that I am a chiropractor, because only a chiropractor would ever be foolhardy enough to question the motives and agenda of the self perceived ‘unattackable’. Please be aware that lack of acceptance or confirmation of an accusation does not make it right. Also I only started posting in defence of Davids right to fight his corner when you threatened to remove him, and in fact chased him away for his opinions, because they disagree with yours. I appreciate that you suggested he was offencive, well read some of the other comments, some a bit closer to home.

You and your good lady really need to get out more. Fair and reasonable is acceptable autocracy with regards opinion is neither acceptable not scepticism.

Have a nice day, and if you guys ever feel pain by over indulging on your back slapping I am sure one of those osteopaths ior chiropractors would love to offer their advice and assistance. Lol

By: the Bruce

the Bruce — Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:34:05 +0000

Thank you for those kind words, I will lol.