Comments on: All change!

By: Blue Wode

Blue Wode — Sun, 25 Apr 2010 12:38:10 +0000

Will wrote: “David Cassidy was not dismissed from the University of Saskatchewan.”

Thank you for that. I’ll take your word for it for the time being. BTW, more serious criticism of the Cassidy et al study has emerged, and it doesn’t show the authors’ methodology in a good light:
http://www.chirowatch.com/Stroke/2010%20Vascular%20accidents%20after%20chiroSM%20-%20myth%20or%20reality.pdf

It’s well worth clicking on the link and having a slow read through the paper.

By: will

will — Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:19:50 +0000

David: I most certainly know of physiotherapists who have trained as chiropractors.I know chiropractors who have trained to be medical doctors and I know medical doctors who trained to be chiropractors. There is a good deal of this sort of hybridization and long may it be so. But I’m not sure this actually takes us anywhere in this debate. I personally feel there is no need for three distinct physical therapy professions. There should be one all encompassing physical therapy practitioner who is a specialist in non-invasive care for musculoskeletal disorders without bullshit. The essential problem is that the three main groups present today hate each other’s guts and prefer turf warfare than rational debate. But no doubt even this observation will be treated with vitriol by some bloggers!

By: David

David — Sat, 17 Apr 2010 00:19:20 +0000

Michael Kingsford Gray wrote: ” I call “BULLSHIT!!!” on this claim. You do not know any physiotherapists who have decided that they need skills in BOGUS scams. If you do: NAME THEM.”

You seem to be getting a bit excitable Michael. Calm down!

You are of course right. I don’t know any physiotherapists who have felt the need to acquire skills in bogus scams. However, I do have four personal friends who have undergone a four year full-time course in chiropractic subsequent to completing their physiotherapy training in order to acquire the knowledge and skills they desired.

I also do have several physiotherapists as patients and an untold number of other patients who have previously consulted physios before settling with us for the management of their musculoskeletal problems.

I have in fact asked some of the above if they would like to have their name forwarded to you in order that you can point out the error of their ways. However, curiously, none has felt the need or desire to be berated by a ranter like you. They are intelligent and informed enough to make their own judgements on the evidence and their experience.

I would just like to repeat, I have no beef with physiotherapists. I have worked closely with many physios over the years and have a great deal of time and respect for the good ones. I also count a number of physios among my good friends.

By: Will

Will — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:32:33 +0000

Skepticat: No point at this stage, just contemplating. Thanks for the references, excellent article by the retired Chiropractor.

By: Skepticat

Skepticat — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 19:57:59 +0000

I see we cross-posted, Will. What is your point? Ernst conducted reviews of clinical trials conducted by others and reviews of reviews carried out by others. You’ve probably seen this article but for anyone else:

http://beta.medicinescomplete.com/journals/fact/current/fact1002a02t01.htm

By: Skepticat

Skepticat — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:49:58 +0000

Come on, Will. It’s a bit of a cheek to ask a blogger to spend their time finding something you could find yourself with a couple of clicks of the mouse.

You might be interested in this article by a retired American chiropractor.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=4068

By: Will

Will — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 18:49:24 +0000

Zeno: been there, done that. Not a very impressive list of RCT’s by the Professor of Complementary Medicine. But I thought such trials were the backbone of clinical therapeutic research. I’ll keep looking.

By: Zeno

Zeno — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:14:35 +0000

Will

I’m sure a search of PubMed will answer all your questions.

By: Will

Will — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:51:23 +0000

My apologies for my spelling mistake.’Michael Kingsford Gray’

By: Will

Will — Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:49:35 +0000

Zeno : I merely asked you if you could provide something better than the Bronfort report because I honestly thought someone as well-read as yourself could at least point me in the direction of a better piece of research. As regards Professor Ernst, the question still stands: what clinical trials has he conducted during his Professorship? The gold standard of any efficacy in therapeutics seems to be the double blind RCT and presumably all forms of ‘alternative’ healthcare should undergo such testing. I simply asked if you knew of any such trials which have been instigated by the Professor of Complementary Medicine. I am not trying to ruffle feathers, I just want an honest answer.
Michael Kinsford Gray : thanks for that, most illuminating.