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		<title>By: Eugene</title>
		<link>http://www.zenosblog.com/2009/10/i-get-anonymous-chiropractic-mail-i-do/comment-page-2/#comment-7628</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 13:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I just say that one good thing has come out of all this scrutiny and that is the public statement by the GCC and the Chiropractic Colleges that Subluxation is a historical concept with no evidence to support it. It was taught that way to me 19 years ago for 1 hour per week for 1 term of a 4 year degree in Chiropractic Contextual Studies (ie. putting chiropractic into the context of modern medicine). Sadly it is an all too convenient marketing tool that can be abused in private practice. 

One of the postives to come out of these blogs and the scrutiny chiropractic profession has brought on itself, is that it must move away from its stupid and outdated theories and look at an investigate plausible mechanisms by which manipulation might work. Hopefully it should broaden its scope to encompass techniques from other manual therapy professions where evidence dictates. 

It does annoy me somewhat the constant dearth of evidence tag. I have diagnosed a Burst Fracture, Type 2 Dens Fracture, Mets on several occasions, ABC C1, Cerebellar Tumour, (Referred to me by GP as Sciatica), Cervical Facet dislocation all of these patients had either been seen by their GP, or been to casualty, or indeed been x-rayed and missed. Most Chiropractors do a very worthwhile job, and whilst we cant claim to me more effective than any other manual therapy, except arguably for subacute back pain, we have not been shown to be be any worse either. If our diagnostic skills are up-to-scratch, we are indeed providing a worthwhile service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I just say that one good thing has come out of all this scrutiny and that is the public statement by the GCC and the Chiropractic Colleges that Subluxation is a historical concept with no evidence to support it. It was taught that way to me 19 years ago for 1 hour per week for 1 term of a 4 year degree in Chiropractic Contextual Studies (ie. putting chiropractic into the context of modern medicine). Sadly it is an all too convenient marketing tool that can be abused in private practice. </p>
<p>One of the postives to come out of these blogs and the scrutiny chiropractic profession has brought on itself, is that it must move away from its stupid and outdated theories and look at an investigate plausible mechanisms by which manipulation might work. Hopefully it should broaden its scope to encompass techniques from other manual therapy professions where evidence dictates. </p>
<p>It does annoy me somewhat the constant dearth of evidence tag. I have diagnosed a Burst Fracture, Type 2 Dens Fracture, Mets on several occasions, ABC C1, Cerebellar Tumour, (Referred to me by GP as Sciatica), Cervical Facet dislocation all of these patients had either been seen by their GP, or been to casualty, or indeed been x-rayed and missed. Most Chiropractors do a very worthwhile job, and whilst we cant claim to me more effective than any other manual therapy, except arguably for subacute back pain, we have not been shown to be be any worse either. If our diagnostic skills are up-to-scratch, we are indeed providing a worthwhile service.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeno</title>
		<link>http://www.zenosblog.com/2009/10/i-get-anonymous-chiropractic-mail-i-do/comment-page-2/#comment-6971</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim

You&#039;re completely wrong on several counts, but I&#039;ll pick up on just a few and ignore most of your ill-informed diatribe.

Why is you think that chiropractic &#039;no longer needs to be proven&#039; and that the &#039;argument is over&#039; when the Bronfort Report (written by chiropractors) came up with so little good evidence for so few of the conditions that many chiros claim to treat?

How does the number of mis-diagnoses or even deaths allegedly caused by conventional medicine affect the dearth of evidence for chiropractic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim</p>
<p>You&#8217;re completely wrong on several counts, but I&#8217;ll pick up on just a few and ignore most of your ill-informed diatribe.</p>
<p>Why is you think that chiropractic &#8216;no longer needs to be proven&#8217; and that the &#8216;argument is over&#8217; when the Bronfort Report (written by chiropractors) came up with so little good evidence for so few of the conditions that many chiros claim to treat?</p>
<p>How does the number of mis-diagnoses or even deaths allegedly caused by conventional medicine affect the dearth of evidence for chiropractic?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 02:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its amazing people that have no knowledge of the chiropractic profession ...continue to bad mouth it because of their ignorance...I guess they are mad because they are not educated ....and their life stink.....Chiropractic no longer needs to be proven....they are reconized primary care physicians....so that argument is over.....look at the MDs...according to the townsend letter review they are the leading cause of death in the US.(from Iatrogenic causes) 783,000 per year! and US surgeon General, General C. Everett Coop stated that &quot; 68% of all diagnoses in the US are wrong&quot;
So when people with no education and no facts and no experience want to talk badly about the chiropractic profession.....it is really a joke.
Look at the allopathic profession ...if 68% of the diagnosis are wrong according to the surgeon General...and 783,000 people die a year from Iatrogenic causes making it the leading cause of death in the USA...then complaining about Doctors of Chiropractic (especially with no research or statistical facts ) is just plain Ignorant!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its amazing people that have no knowledge of the chiropractic profession &#8230;continue to bad mouth it because of their ignorance&#8230;I guess they are mad because they are not educated &#8230;.and their life stink&#8230;..Chiropractic no longer needs to be proven&#8230;.they are reconized primary care physicians&#8230;.so that argument is over&#8230;..look at the MDs&#8230;according to the townsend letter review they are the leading cause of death in the US.(from Iatrogenic causes) 783,000 per year! and US surgeon General, General C. Everett Coop stated that &#8221; 68% of all diagnoses in the US are wrong&#8221;<br />
So when people with no education and no facts and no experience want to talk badly about the chiropractic profession&#8230;..it is really a joke.<br />
Look at the allopathic profession &#8230;if 68% of the diagnosis are wrong according to the surgeon General&#8230;and 783,000 people die a year from Iatrogenic causes making it the leading cause of death in the USA&#8230;then complaining about Doctors of Chiropractic (especially with no research or statistical facts ) is just plain Ignorant!</p>
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		<title>By: HolfordWatch</title>
		<link>http://www.zenosblog.com/2009/10/i-get-anonymous-chiropractic-mail-i-do/comment-page-2/#comment-2353</link>
		<dc:creator>HolfordWatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch - so this is a &#039;professional&#039; service?  Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch &#8211; so this is a &#8216;professional&#8217; service?  Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: Zeno</title>
		<link>http://www.zenosblog.com/2009/10/i-get-anonymous-chiropractic-mail-i-do/comment-page-2/#comment-2350</link>
		<dc:creator>Zeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This same individual, based in Manila in The Philippines has been littering a number of blogs with his/her nonsense, including Skepticat.com and &lt;a href=&quot;http://ldblog.com/2009/11/30/additional-weak-evidence-about-chiropractic-treatment/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LDBlog&lt;/a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; - Dr John Lloyd believes it is a blog commenting service, paid for, presumably, by a bunch of chiros or a chiro trade association in the US/Canada to promote chiropractic. They should demand a refund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This same individual, based in Manila in The Philippines has been littering a number of blogs with his/her nonsense, including Skepticat.com and <a href="http://ldblog.com/2009/11/30/additional-weak-evidence-about-chiropractic-treatment/" rel="nofollow">LDBlog</a> &#8211; Dr John Lloyd believes it is a blog commenting service, paid for, presumably, by a bunch of chiros or a chiro trade association in the US/Canada to promote chiropractic. They should demand a refund.</p>
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		<title>By: HolfordWatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>HolfordWatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Had a couple of these comments with links, too.  Meh, you&#039;d think that before pasting your links all over teh interweb you&#039;d at least go to the effort of putting together a decent website...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had a couple of these comments with links, too.  Meh, you&#8217;d think that before pasting your links all over teh interweb you&#8217;d at least go to the effort of putting together a decent website&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zeno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zeno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see you&#039;ve been doing the rounds of several other blogs that have been discussing chiropractic and trying to pretend you&#039;re from the USA or Canada rather than your real location of the Philippines. (I&#039;ve removed the spam links you gave to US chiro websites.)

However, patient testimonies may be interesting, but, where people&#039;s health is concerned, they are a very bad way to decide whether or not chiropractic works or is the best treatment for any condition. The best way is proper controlled and blinded trials. In all the good ones that have been done, chiropractic fares pretty badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see you&#8217;ve been doing the rounds of several other blogs that have been discussing chiropractic and trying to pretend you&#8217;re from the USA or Canada rather than your real location of the Philippines. (I&#8217;ve removed the spam links you gave to US chiro websites.)</p>
<p>However, patient testimonies may be interesting, but, where people&#8217;s health is concerned, they are a very bad way to decide whether or not chiropractic works or is the best treatment for any condition. The best way is proper controlled and blinded trials. In all the good ones that have been done, chiropractic fares pretty badly.</p>
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		<title>By: boise chiropractor</title>
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		<dc:creator>boise chiropractor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the better way, if you see a patients testimonies that is great that you got the right idea of doing the right purpose and don&#039;t the wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the better way, if you see a patients testimonies that is great that you got the right idea of doing the right purpose and don&#8217;t the wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: St. Louis Chiropractor</title>
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		<dc:creator>St. Louis Chiropractor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.., I am willing to try it, anything that can help me with my migraine.. :( It&#039;s good to see a blog where we can see patients testimonies.. i am searching for it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.., I am willing to try it, anything that can help me with my migraine.. <img src='http://www.zenosblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  It&#8217;s good to see a blog where we can see patients testimonies.. i am searching for it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackie W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... but then again it was an amazingly dull post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; but then again it was an amazingly dull post.</p>
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