Comments on: Jeni Barnett does vaccines (again) http://www.zenosblog.com/2009/07/jeni-barnett-does-vaccines-again/ The random thoughts of a sceptical activist Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:01:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: jdc325 http://www.zenosblog.com/2009/07/jeni-barnett-does-vaccines-again/comment-page-1/#comment-317 jdc325 Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:54:10 +0000 http://tricia.asmallorange.com/~zeno/?p=41#comment-317 Still, though. It can't be much worse than the recent discussion of swine flu on, um, Loose Women. They started banging on about swine flu parties (making it seem as if these are actually taking place - we don't know if they are at this time) and one of the Loose Women was very anti- the idea of a swine flu vaccine. <br /><br />(I can't believe I just admitted to watching an episode of Loose Women.) Still, though. It can't be much worse than the recent discussion of swine flu on, um, Loose Women. They started banging on about swine flu parties (making it seem as if these are actually taking place – we don't know if they are at this time) and one of the Loose Women was very anti- the idea of a swine flu vaccine.

(I can't believe I just admitted to watching an episode of Loose Women.)

]]> By: draust http://www.zenosblog.com/2009/07/jeni-barnett-does-vaccines-again/comment-page-1/#comment-316 draust Thu, 16 Jul 2009 20:27:58 +0000 http://tricia.asmallorange.com/~zeno/?p=41#comment-316 Jeni B discussing swine 'flu. Hmm.<br /><br />Be afraid. Be very afraid.<br /><br />I wonder if we can expect lots of natural health mums banging on about swine 'flu parties for Max and Tamsin? Jeni B discussing swine 'flu. Hmm.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

I wonder if we can expect lots of natural health mums banging on about swine 'flu parties for Max and Tamsin?

]]> By: jdc325 http://www.zenosblog.com/2009/07/jeni-barnett-does-vaccines-again/comment-page-1/#comment-315 jdc325 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:47:10 +0000 http://tricia.asmallorange.com/~zeno/?p=41#comment-315 Good stuff Zeno. I've written a sort-of follow-up to this piece. Good stuff Zeno. I've written a sort-of follow-up to this piece.

]]> By: rational http://www.zenosblog.com/2009/07/jeni-barnett-does-vaccines-again/comment-page-1/#comment-313 rational Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:19:10 +0000 http://tricia.asmallorange.com/~zeno/?p=41#comment-313 As someone who has been vaccinated and had my children vaccinated recently I was hoping to have a vaccine for swine flu when it became available. I thought I would look into the efficacy of the influenza vaccine. I have to say I was surprised that the research was at best inconclusive for efficacy, perhaps being no more effective than placebo, and there was virtually nothing on it's safety. This piece in the BMJ neatly summarises the situation:<br /><br />http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/333/7574/912<br /><br />Surely we should require this, which is after all given to our most vulnerable population including children, to be subject to the same standards that we want to apply to say, Osteopathy? As someone who has been vaccinated and had my children vaccinated recently I was hoping to have a vaccine for swine flu when it became available. I thought I would look into the efficacy of the influenza vaccine. I have to say I was surprised that the research was at best inconclusive for efficacy, perhaps being no more effective than placebo, and there was virtually nothing on it's safety. This piece in the BMJ neatly summarises the situation:

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/333/7574/912

Surely we should require this, which is after all given to our most vulnerable population including children, to be subject to the same standards that we want to apply to say, Osteopathy?

]]> By: Andy http://www.zenosblog.com/2009/07/jeni-barnett-does-vaccines-again/comment-page-1/#comment-312 Andy Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:40:29 +0000 http://tricia.asmallorange.com/~zeno/?p=41#comment-312 I see <a href="http://chiropracticlive.com/vaccination/ldquo-sceptics-rdquo-like-zeno-claim-they-ldquo-don-rsquo-t-want-to-silence-critical-discussion-of-medical-practice-and-debate-rdquo/" rel="nofollow">Richard Lanigan</a> disagrees with you...<br /><br /><i>"I have always considered myself a sceptical person. So when I was asked to vaccinated my children I asked to see evidence that vaccinated children were healthier than unvaccinated. No one could produce this evidence and we declined the invitation."</i><br /><br />It looks to me like he's saying, "ever since we locked the gate, no horses have bolted, so we obviously don't need to keep it locked."<br /><br />Herd immunity be damned. I see Richard Lanigan disagrees with you…

"I have always considered myself a sceptical person. So when I was asked to vaccinated my children I asked to see evidence that vaccinated children were healthier than unvaccinated. No one could produce this evidence and we declined the invitation."

It looks to me like he's saying, "ever since we locked the gate, no horses have bolted, so we obviously don't need to keep it locked."

Herd immunity be damned.

]]> By: Evidence http://www.zenosblog.com/2009/07/jeni-barnett-does-vaccines-again/comment-page-1/#comment-308 Evidence Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:59:01 +0000 http://tricia.asmallorange.com/~zeno/?p=41#comment-308 If the date is forthcoming and the broadcast can be live-blogged, live-tweeted or followed with something like <a href="http://www.coveritlive.com" rel="nofollow">Cover It Live</a> (if there are other tools, please speak up) then this might be an interesting exercise. If the date is forthcoming and the broadcast can be live-blogged, live-tweeted or followed with something like Cover It Live (if there are other tools, please speak up) then this might be an interesting exercise.

]]> By: skepticat http://www.zenosblog.com/2009/07/jeni-barnett-does-vaccines-again/comment-page-1/#comment-307 skepticat Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:51:25 +0000 http://tricia.asmallorange.com/~zeno/?p=41#comment-307 I think she meant, "As a Radio Presenter with my Own Show, I should be allowed to say what I want to say and anyone who is offended by it should STFU." I think she meant, "As a Radio Presenter with my Own Show, I should be allowed to say what I want to say and anyone who is offended by it should STFU."

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